Of Punk Rock and Politics
Recently I began posting on the message boards at conservativepunk.com and gopunk.com, two great websites. It’s a fun way to debate the issues with people who share my combined interest in punk and poli sci. Not everyone on the boards is conservative, but that’s what makes it interesting, and I suppose that’s what keeps me coming back. If you visit these boards you’ll find all of the common political issues: abortion, the war on terror, the role of government and so on, but I’ve noticed that the thing that seems to come up more than anything is the relationship between conservatism and punk rock.
Quite often, messages are posted by newbies complaining of the apparent oxymoron between the words “conservative” and “punk.” Some of these people are merely annoyed, but many are furious and profane, unable to contain their fury over the heresy of suggesting that a filthy rightwing neocon can call himself “punk.” The often-incoherent rantings of these punk rock purists are humorous for the most part, but the purists do raise a valid point: Conservative punk IS an oxymoron.
Is that to say that we in the “conservative punk” boat are fooling ourselves? Not at all. The reason “conservative punk” is an oxymoron is because the word “conservative” (and arguably the word “punk”) has no meaning, at least in terms of American politics. As a basic definition, a conservative is someone who wishes to preserve the values or tenets of a given tradition or traditions. That’s partially true for American conservatives, but the same can be said for American liberals. Are Democrats conservative for wanting to preserve the constitutional right of free speech? Are Republicans liberal for wanting to overhaul the tax code? Here’s a brain teaser for you. If you support a woman’s right to choose and oppose a hunter’s right to own guns, you’re considered liberal. BUT, if you support a fetus’s right to live and a prison’s right to kill, you’re considered conservative. Apparently the “conservative-liberal” labeling isn’t an exact science. Very few people, regardless of their political affiliation, are consistently pro-choice, and very few consistently support the sanctity of human life. I suppose that’s why I lean libertarian. I find the hypocrisy on both sides of the fence to be nauseating.
But anyway, my point in all of this is that “conservative” and “liberal” as political labels in America are completely arbitrary. If you want further proof, look no further than our European neighbors, who more typically define a liberal as someone who opposes big government, and a conservative as someone left of center. This used to be true in America as well. Two of my favorite political thinkers are Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau. If you read the writings of these men, you will find passionate objections to taxation and government intervention, and a belief that government has no moral right to make demands of its people. Thoreau even spent a night in jail for refusing to pay taxes. If you didn’t know better, you might think these guys were the 19th century equivalent of Rush Limbaugh, and yet they are considered great liberals. During their time, they were even considered radically liberal. This is why many so-called conservatives in America prefer to identify themselves as classical liberals. Today’s conservative is yesterday’s liberal, further demonstrating the arbitrary nature of such labels. In general, the labels today are based on political litmus tests, and not on any genuine definitions.
So if you want to get literal about it, then yes, conservative punk is an oxymoron. But we have already established that conservative is an arbitrary word in this case, so literal definitions have basically no merit. In many cases, a conservative punk is simply a punk or punk enthusiast who believes in limited government. So if you replace the word “conservative” with “self-reliant,” conservative punk becomes self-reliant punk, which doesn’t sound quite so contradictory.
Some have argued, though, that it is anti-punk to support the evil, warmongering Bush administration. This is absurd because it suggests that punk can be defined by a narrow ideology, which in fact is the antithesis of punk. There are many definitions of punk, but most are in agreement that independent thinking is a prime ingredient. By suggesting that one is not punk because one fails to see the world through the eyes of another who is considered punk, punk rock culture ceases to have meaning because it becomes the very thing it opposes: a narrow ideology. The Clash had a very different agenda than The Sex Pistols, and The Ramones had virtually no agenda at all. Then there are the straight-edge groups like Minor Threat who remain in a league of their own.
In 2004, Fat Wreck Chords released two CD/DVD sets entitled “Rock Against Bush.” The purpose, as spearheaded and organized by NOFX vocalist Fat Mike, was to unite popular punk rock bands in a campaign to remove George W. Bush from the White House by rallying support among young voters. The CDs sold well, but obviously the campaign’s primary objective failed and the youth voter count remained about the same as usual. Big-name bands like Green Day, Blink 182, The Offspring and No Doubt all made contributions to the campaign, which gained an impressive amount of press during the months leading up to the election. It was this movement that spawned the conservative punk counter movement, which is notable because punk rock itself began as a counter movement.
While Fat Mike and his cronies cozied up to extremist groups like PETA and railed about corruption in the Bush administration, there were those of us who shook our heads. It was inevitable that we would ultimately unite and speak out against what we saw as complete lunacy. While the Punk Voter crowd raised money for multi-billion-dollar-a-year lobby groups, the conservative punks stood up on their own; while the Punk Voter crowd threw their support behind big government policies, the conservative punks stood up on their own; while the Punk Voter crowd allied itself with the Democratic Party, the conservative punks stood up on their own. So who are the real punks these days?
For the record, I am a long time fan of Fat Mike, and I have long enjoyed listening to his music. If he lays off the Bush-bashing, I might even continue to support his band in the future, but let’s not turn punk into the same narrow box that the Republican and Democratic parties have become. We may differ on what it means to be punk, but it’s definitely not about that. If anything, we should learn from the failings of the two major parties.
Recently I began posting on the message boards at conservativepunk.com and gopunk.com, two great websites. It’s a fun way to debate the issues with people who share my combined interest in punk and poli sci. Not everyone on the boards is conservative, but that’s what makes it interesting, and I suppose that’s what keeps me coming back. If you visit these boards you’ll find all of the common political issues: abortion, the war on terror, the role of government and so on, but I’ve noticed that the thing that seems to come up more than anything is the relationship between conservatism and punk rock.
Quite often, messages are posted by newbies complaining of the apparent oxymoron between the words “conservative” and “punk.” Some of these people are merely annoyed, but many are furious and profane, unable to contain their fury over the heresy of suggesting that a filthy rightwing neocon can call himself “punk.” The often-incoherent rantings of these punk rock purists are humorous for the most part, but the purists do raise a valid point: Conservative punk IS an oxymoron.
Is that to say that we in the “conservative punk” boat are fooling ourselves? Not at all. The reason “conservative punk” is an oxymoron is because the word “conservative” (and arguably the word “punk”) has no meaning, at least in terms of American politics. As a basic definition, a conservative is someone who wishes to preserve the values or tenets of a given tradition or traditions. That’s partially true for American conservatives, but the same can be said for American liberals. Are Democrats conservative for wanting to preserve the constitutional right of free speech? Are Republicans liberal for wanting to overhaul the tax code? Here’s a brain teaser for you. If you support a woman’s right to choose and oppose a hunter’s right to own guns, you’re considered liberal. BUT, if you support a fetus’s right to live and a prison’s right to kill, you’re considered conservative. Apparently the “conservative-liberal” labeling isn’t an exact science. Very few people, regardless of their political affiliation, are consistently pro-choice, and very few consistently support the sanctity of human life. I suppose that’s why I lean libertarian. I find the hypocrisy on both sides of the fence to be nauseating.
But anyway, my point in all of this is that “conservative” and “liberal” as political labels in America are completely arbitrary. If you want further proof, look no further than our European neighbors, who more typically define a liberal as someone who opposes big government, and a conservative as someone left of center. This used to be true in America as well. Two of my favorite political thinkers are Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau. If you read the writings of these men, you will find passionate objections to taxation and government intervention, and a belief that government has no moral right to make demands of its people. Thoreau even spent a night in jail for refusing to pay taxes. If you didn’t know better, you might think these guys were the 19th century equivalent of Rush Limbaugh, and yet they are considered great liberals. During their time, they were even considered radically liberal. This is why many so-called conservatives in America prefer to identify themselves as classical liberals. Today’s conservative is yesterday’s liberal, further demonstrating the arbitrary nature of such labels. In general, the labels today are based on political litmus tests, and not on any genuine definitions.
So if you want to get literal about it, then yes, conservative punk is an oxymoron. But we have already established that conservative is an arbitrary word in this case, so literal definitions have basically no merit. In many cases, a conservative punk is simply a punk or punk enthusiast who believes in limited government. So if you replace the word “conservative” with “self-reliant,” conservative punk becomes self-reliant punk, which doesn’t sound quite so contradictory.
Some have argued, though, that it is anti-punk to support the evil, warmongering Bush administration. This is absurd because it suggests that punk can be defined by a narrow ideology, which in fact is the antithesis of punk. There are many definitions of punk, but most are in agreement that independent thinking is a prime ingredient. By suggesting that one is not punk because one fails to see the world through the eyes of another who is considered punk, punk rock culture ceases to have meaning because it becomes the very thing it opposes: a narrow ideology. The Clash had a very different agenda than The Sex Pistols, and The Ramones had virtually no agenda at all. Then there are the straight-edge groups like Minor Threat who remain in a league of their own.
In 2004, Fat Wreck Chords released two CD/DVD sets entitled “Rock Against Bush.” The purpose, as spearheaded and organized by NOFX vocalist Fat Mike, was to unite popular punk rock bands in a campaign to remove George W. Bush from the White House by rallying support among young voters. The CDs sold well, but obviously the campaign’s primary objective failed and the youth voter count remained about the same as usual. Big-name bands like Green Day, Blink 182, The Offspring and No Doubt all made contributions to the campaign, which gained an impressive amount of press during the months leading up to the election. It was this movement that spawned the conservative punk counter movement, which is notable because punk rock itself began as a counter movement.
While Fat Mike and his cronies cozied up to extremist groups like PETA and railed about corruption in the Bush administration, there were those of us who shook our heads. It was inevitable that we would ultimately unite and speak out against what we saw as complete lunacy. While the Punk Voter crowd raised money for multi-billion-dollar-a-year lobby groups, the conservative punks stood up on their own; while the Punk Voter crowd threw their support behind big government policies, the conservative punks stood up on their own; while the Punk Voter crowd allied itself with the Democratic Party, the conservative punks stood up on their own. So who are the real punks these days?
For the record, I am a long time fan of Fat Mike, and I have long enjoyed listening to his music. If he lays off the Bush-bashing, I might even continue to support his band in the future, but let’s not turn punk into the same narrow box that the Republican and Democratic parties have become. We may differ on what it means to be punk, but it’s definitely not about that. If anything, we should learn from the failings of the two major parties.

